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Grand Prix Series S9 R12 - Belgium Gp - Incidents

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Sprint race
L1 after t1 Tony vs. Blackfox
same place BlackFox vs. Denis

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Sprint Race

T10/Lap 2 -- Me vs. Marcel -- Late breaking causing spun

Straight leading to the last turn/ Lap 5 -- Me vs. Joe -- I know it wasn't his intention, but it was a mistake causing a big collision on me, and than I had to DNF.



Feature Race

Last turn/Lap 1 -- Me vs. Alaster -- My bad, sorry for that Sad

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Sprint Race:

- Lap 1, Last Turn
On my screen, Luft was on the right (outside) and I was on the left (inside) and I didn't change line or went wide. His car came from left to right and caused a contact - sadly, he spun.
I'm not complaining about him. Just saying it wasn't my fault either.

- Lap 2, braking for Bruxelles (hairpin at the top of the track, beginning of S2)
I bumped Marcel, who then bumped Juan, BUT.. Marcel changed line on the very last second (I was on the middle line and he was on the left line - he changed from left to middle) and I didn't have time to react or anywhere to go. It looks like he would've hit Juan anyway, because Juan braked too early AND/OR Marcel braked too late - anyway.. sorry to say, but not my fault either..

Check my replay files and see exactly what I saw on my screen when the incidents happened:

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So basically what happened:
Gustavo was not alongside me before the braking zone, and I didn't change line before the braking zone. The only time I turned in was when I turned to take the corner, maybe a bit too early, but as Gustavo was not alongside me prior to the braking zone, I had the line for that corner, or well I didn't expect him to take a look at my inside ^^ However, Gustavo obviously managed to get alongside me shortly after I started braking, meaning that I braked even earlier than him. I'd say nothing more than a race incident here, but it's yours to judge, since that didn't affect me at all.

As Gustavo said, I would've bumped into Juan anyways, but that again isn't really my fault. He went off the track before at the exit of Les combes, meaning that he was already slower, then he additionally seemed to brake pretty early. If you then look at his onboard, he holds the steering wheel straight just before the corner and threw it into the corner pretty late, meaning that he probably went for a late apex (obviously there are many lines for that corner), meanwhile I went for an early one... These things happen, and if he didn't go off track it wouldn't have happened. Again, for me nothing but a race incident because these things simply happen, especially at the start.

If you look at my replay I braked where the kerb starts, which is just after the 100m board, so my normal braking point, obviously there are people brakign even later than that. I had nowhere to go outside was Juan, inside occupied by Sexy, that was a proper sandwich lol. So I didn't brake late, Sexy braked even later than me... I was just at the wrong place at the wrong time after Juan left the track.

EDIT: Just watched the replay again, Juan's cornering speed was around 144kph after the Kerb, on the next lap I took the same corner with about 159kph, so he was just slow, probably related to his off-track adventure. Obviously you can see that Sexy, Me and Arek I think it was all closed the gap to him under braking, so not really my fault.

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I'm sorry Marcel, but you were behind me just before taking the corner, meaning you should wait for me to take the corner. You seems to judge that I was trying to give the inside to you, but it's not true and it was a wrong decision, costing a spun.

I know i was slower than you and Gustavo, but you can't say it like it was an excuse for a crash. It happens a lot of times with me and other drivers and what we do is just repect the other driver's space and wait for the best time to overtake without contact.

You can see that in the incident against Alaster, he did brake earlier aswell, and I assumed it was my fault.

It's my opinion, let the Stewards decide. I'm not angry or anything like that  Smile


EDIT: I know I had a ealier breaking, it happens with everyone as we are not perfect. But if my breaking point change, you are behind me and you should change it aswell, to avoid contact.

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I'm not saying that it's a justification or anything. You went off the track, you were slower, I braked at my normal braking point, couldn't do anything. Couldn't go to the outside, because you were there, Sexy was on the inside... You took a late apex (or well you tried) and I took an early one. The speed difference was as big as almost 20kph into that corner, and I was on softs aswell, so I'm not saying you did anything wrong, neither did Gustavo or me, we just all braked at our braking points, to avoid the incident I would've had to brake 50 metres earlier, so almost 150 metres away from the corner. These kinds of incidents happen in a sprint race, where the slower guys start ahead of the faster guys, I'm sorry it ruined your race (well the incident you had after that, actually did) but if I was in that same situation again with someone else in front, I would've done the same.


Anyways, like you said, let the Stewards decide if it's my fault then that's the way it is. See you in Monza, if you're racing. Hopefully without these issues then lol.

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It's ok mate Razz



I will race at Monza, dont worry. I know those kind of incidents happens a lot, but it's the first time it happens with me because in this kind of situation, I always give the inside line to the car behind, cause I know if I wouldn't we will crash. It was the first time I didn't look in the mirror.

As you said, the another incident I mentioned 'closed the coffin'. So it didn't change the race result at all.

See ya at monza then Smile

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Shit race, I think I practiced this one the most, a lot of driven laps and still nothing. I have problem with my PC, maybe there are some bugs cause to much porn downloaded Smile. Fps drops at some points, it just stutters and to be even more annoying it happens mostly before cornering. Nothing to report, I haven't seen Sexy coming inside, this was 1 of those shit PC slows, another time I braked to early not to hit car infront and than got kicked in the ass.

I would however report Arek for passing me on the outside in Sprint race, it was rude Smile




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I'm still honestly sorry, Luft, because I tried my best to remain slow and on the inside, not letting my car goes 'wide' towards you - which I'm glad I was able to do - so it was a sad surprise to me when you turned into my car (which would be just a regular and ok race incident if you hadn't spun), but even more sadly, you did spin, so... I was feeling terrible when it happened, even knowing it wasn't my fault...

Better luck (to both of us) on the next race, mate!
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Officially now:
Feature Race 

Lap 17 - Bus Stop Chicane - Tony forced me off the track with all four wheels, and would've caused me to get stuck on the kerb if I held my line, so I went straight on.

Lap 5 - Pit exit - Tony crosses pit exit line with front left

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Lap 17 last turn- Marcel vs me, I was in front he cut track and didnt give position back 



I think we all know how this one ended



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Yup, the thing is he was the guy overtaking and effectively completing his move off the track, meanwhile I was the defending car you pushed off in order to complete your move ^^

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As I said I was in front by more than front wing which means I was in the lead when you made move which basicaly means you were overtaking and I was defending.

Anyway lets leave this to stewards and see what they say.



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Sorry guys for the incidents (Joe in Sprint race, Juan in Feature race), my first race with this mod and I'm still learning the car. There is some snap oversteer when accelerating out of corners and the brakes feel weird, especially at the last chicane (where both incidents happened). Maybe it was the time away from driving during the holidays, maybe it is the "flicker" problem I have with my pedals, I dunno. Anyway, it is no excuse, and I accept any penalty if the stewards think it is my fault. Also, do I have to submit rfscan log file for scrutineering? On to Monza where there is even more heavy braking...



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Yes, Alaster, always send your rF_Scan logs, please.

They're mandatory for the rFR GP Series and will ALSO be mandatory for the SRD Series from now on.

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Alaster wrote:Sorry guys for the incidents (Joe in Sprint race, Juan in Feature race), my first race with this mod and I'm still learning the car. There is some snap oversteer when accelerating out of corners and the brakes feel weird, especially at the last chicane (where both incidents happened). Maybe it was the time away from driving during the holidays, maybe it is the "flicker" problem I have with my pedals, I dunno. Anyway, it is no excuse, and I accept any penalty if the stewards think it is my fault. Also, do I have to submit rfscan log file for scrutineering? On to Monza where there is even more heavy braking...

That's no need to apologize, mate. The incident I mentioned was totally my fault.

And yeah, the car fells a bit weird. I'm in my 4th race in this mod and i'm still having issues keeping the car on the track and taking the corners properly.

Cheers!

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Juan Caires wrote:And yeah, the car fells a bit weird. I'm in my 4th race in this mod and i'm still having issues keeping the car on the track and taking the corners properly.

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You forgot you have those problems with any mod no matter how long you play it, Juan Razz

Cheers!  Wink

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Arek wrote:
Juan Caires wrote:And yeah, the car fells a bit weird. I'm in my 4th race in this mod and i'm still having issues keeping the car on the track and taking the corners properly.

Cheers!
You forgot you have those problems with any mod no matter how long you play it, Juan Razz

Cheers!  Wink


Oh thank you, you're such a sweet person  Smile  \ironic.

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Juan Caires wrote:That's no need to apologize, mate. The incident I mentioned was totally my fault.

And yeah, the car fells a bit weird. I'm in my 4th race in this mod and i'm still having issues keeping the car on the track and taking the corners properly.

Cheers!
Maybe it's because all the dampers are all locked on 1 and the car is "bouncy." I dunno, I'm no expert and I guess this is not the place to talk about this.



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Alaster wrote:Maybe it's because all the dampers are all locked on 1 and the car is "bouncy." I dunno, I'm no expert and I guess this is not the place to talk about this.

The dampers show all as "1" because they are locked - their actual values are all different (and not the equivalent of "1" if set was unlocked).




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Alaster wrote:Sorry guys for the incidents (Joe in Sprint race, Juan in Feature race), my first race with this mod and I'm still learning the car. There is some snap oversteer when accelerating out of corners and the brakes feel weird, especially at the last chicane (where both incidents happened). Maybe it was the time away from driving during the holidays, maybe it is the "flicker" problem I have with my pedals, I dunno. Anyway, it is no excuse, and I accept any penalty if the stewards think it is my fault. Also, do I have to submit rfscan log file for scrutineering? On to Monza where there is even more heavy braking...

It's is okay mate, I think it was still a good race and track to practice. However if there were any corresponding penalties due to our incident I will take all the corresponding charges. Wink

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Tom McKay wrote:The dampers show all as "1" because they are locked - their actual values are all different (and not the equivalent of "1" if set was unlocked).
Ah, I see. So what are the actual values? Pardon my ignorance and sorry also if this was already discussed earlier in a different thread.



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If you go to GameData > Vehicles > FSONE09 > 2009 > Equipos

there is a file Server.HDV - under "suspension" you can see a long list with all the actual values of the dampers




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ok thanks Tom



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